[Cz-L] Re: czernowitz-l digest: September 27, 2007

Czernowitz Genealogy and History digest schrieb:
> CZERNOWITZ-L Digest for Thursday, September 27, 2007.
>
> 1. Re: [Cz-L] Specific suggestions for the 600 year anniversary celebration
> 2. RE: [Cz-L] The old Jewish graveyard of Czernowitz
> 3. [Cz-L] More about The old Jewish graveyard
>
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> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Specific suggestions for the 600 year anniversary celebration
> From: "HARDY BREIER" <HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET>
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:56:28 +0200
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
> Mimi,
> You know the difference between a dialog and a monolog:
> A dialog is when two people talk to each other.
> A monolog is when somebody talks to himself.
> This what we are doing.
> Nobody asked for our "eitzes" or is interested in them .
> The Mayors request for suggestions is not adressed to us.
> We need something more specific where the word "Jew" is not shunned.
> If we have to explain to the City Council who we are ,and how important
> our contribution was , the situation becomes debasing and ridiculous.
> And explain we can ,Czernowitzers are famous for their conceit and
> eloquence.
> So go ahead and make lists of our contributions ,it is good for our
> ego.
> All they requested was : interesting facts , old photos and
> suggestions....
> I would suggest they read some books on the history of Czernowitz.
>
> Hardy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miriam Taylor" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> To: "Czernowitz Genealogy and History" <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:32 PM
> Subject: [Cz-L] Specific suggestions for the 600 year anniversary
> celebration
>
>
>
>> Dear Czernowitzers,
>>
>> I would like to pass on some suggestions regarding the 600 year
>> celebrations
>> which were sent to me by Andrew Halmay. Andy himself is currently very
>> busy
>> and unable to devote much time to this issue.
>>
>> Here are his arguments and suggestions:
>>
>> 1. If we want the Chernivtsi city administration to give credit and
>> recognition for contributions to the town by our ancestors,
>> we need to be careful how we approach them, in order not to make this
>> into an adversarial situation.
>>
>> 2. We need to see this from their point of view. How will they benefit
>> from acknowledging the Jewish contribution to the development and
>> character of the town?
>> (My own answer to this is: increased tourism and beneficial publicity.
>> Possibly international assistance in restoring and maintaining
>> historical
>> buildings and monuments.)
>>
>> 3. Since they are likely to be both ill-informed and less interested in
>> the contributions of the Jewish former residents, we need to give them
>> a list of specifics the city can boast about.
>>
>> 4. It is a fact that Czernowitz had more of an ethnic mix and better
>> relations between them all than most other towns of Eastern Europe
>> and that alone is cause for celebration - and celebration by a large
>> diversity of Europeans, North and South Americans, etc., who have roots
>> in the town. While the current city administration might balk at
>> singling out the Jewish contribution, they certainly would see the
>> advantage of making this a celebration which would attract the
>> descendants of the various ethnic groups which once made up
>> the population of Czernowitz.
>>
>> There is a German American club of descendants of Germans from Bukovina.
>> whom we could ask to join us in asking the city administration to
>> acknowledge the minorities who once made up the population of
>> Czernowitz.
>> (Never mind that at one time we were a majority.)
>>
>> Similarly we can ask Polish genealogical societies, Romanians and
>> Hungarians, whether Jewish or Catholic, Romanian or Russian Orthodox
>> to join us.
>>
>> I think Andy's reasoning, conclusions and suggestions are very valid.
>> Please respond to this e-mail by writing to the Cz.-List with your own
>> consent or disagreement and further specific suggestions.
>>
>> Hag Sameach,
>>
>> Mimi
>>
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> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] The old Jewish graveyard of Czernowitz
> From: =?utf-8?B?15DXqdeoINeY15XXqNeY15w=?= <ashtur_at_netvision.net.il>
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:23:40 +0200
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
> Hi Mimi!
>
> I have already said that returning from Mogilev (1945) we stayed at my grandparents place which one fence boarding the old cemetery. Then the cemetery was still beautifully arranged with fruit trees ect. That means that the Romanians (in the period after WWI) did not have the courage to demolish it.
>
> Asher Turtel.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-1864079-3499311_at_list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-1864079-3499311_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Miriam Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:26 AM
> To: Czernowitz Genealogy and History
> Subject: [Cz-L] The old Jewish graveyard of Czernowitz
>
> Dear All,
>
> Looking through various Czernowitz and Bukowina related web-sites,
> I found on a website named "Bukowina" an article from 1936 named
> "Verwandeltes Czernowitz" ( changed Czernowitz).
>
> Part of this article read:
>
>
>> Czernowitz, Ende Juni 1936
>>
>> Es ist nicht etwa die Rede davon, daÃ? die Slums von Czernowitz demoliert
>> werden. Dieses Elendsviertel zwischen Springbrunnenplatz und dem Bahngeleise,
>> auf dem tÀglich die internationalen Schlaf- und Speisewagen von Wien, Berlin
>> und Warschau nach Bukarest rollen, umschlieÃ?t allerdings auch den vierhundert
>> Jahre alten jÃŒdischen Friedhof mit seinen von interessanter Volkskunst
>> zeugenden DenkmÀlern und die altehrwÌrdige Synagoge und ist
>> kulturgeschichtlich ungemein bemerkenswert.
>>
>
> According to this article, the old Jewish cemetery was 400 years old in 1936
> and was located near the old synagogue, strange as this seems. Apparently
> the whole area north of the Synagogengasse (Strada Wilson) was being
> demolished. If you look at the 1941 map, #43 is the synagogue and #77 is the
> Jewish hospital. The writer of the article further says that:
>
> This area also contains the 400 year old Jewish graveyard, with it's
> interesting folk-art gravestones and the venerable synagogue and is
> tremendously remarkable from a history of culture point of view.
>
> Does anyone know, was the old Jewish cemetery indeed demolished by the
> Romanian authorities in 1936? Or was it demolished later by the Russians?
>
> By the way, so far I have heard neither from Rabbi Glisenstein
> nor Dr. Bursuk.
>
> Mimi
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> Subject: [Cz-L] More about The old Jewish graveyard
> From: Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:20:19 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please excuse if In my e-mail on the same subject I sent the list yesterday,
> it seemed that I was questioning what Asher, Jerry and David Glynn already
> wrote on this subject previously.
>
> The graveyard was demolished by the Russians in 1945 and the old synagogue
> still stands.
>
> I was puzzled by finding this article from 1936. I also wanted to emphasize
> that the writer of this article, thought that the gravestones should be
> preserved because of their artistic value. This would further strengthen
> our argument that the current Chernivtsi authorities should take good care
> to preserve them for posterity.
>
>
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> END OF DIGEST
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>
Dear Czernowitz friends,
When I wrote my letter to Mr. Kylynich I had a dream, that the
councillor/counsellor to the Mayor would react and signalize his
readiness for a dialogue. Unfortunately this was only a dream. On the
other hand I was pleasantly surprised or rather thrilled by the
overwhelming reaction this letter produced.
It seems to make common sense that we should proceed step by step, and
give the Mayor a chance to answer. From this point of view I agree with
Hardy Breier.
Excessive activity hinders reflexion and is inefficient.
Regarding Mimi Taylor's above e-mail with Andrew Halmay's suggestions, I
have some observations to make:
1. I have been careful in my letter but the adversarial situation exists
and persists for more than 60 years;
2. I cannot recall one moment in history when the other ethnic groups
tried to adopt our point of view in order to benefit from it;
3. In our days of global information and culture one cannot accept that
the officials in Czernowitz are not informed unless they chose to be so;
4. Instead of wasting our energies for the purposes of other ethnic
groups (Germans, Romanians, Ukrainians, Poles), who never reciprocate,
one should
concentrate our efforts for our own goals.
Looking forward to your comments and reactions,
Eduard Weissmann


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Received on 2007-09-28 14:26:04