Re: [Cz-L] Resilience

Dnepropetrovsk Jewish Centre

  Jewish revival:
  Never ending cycle - they butcher the Jews .
   The Jews come back. Call it revival.
     Hmelnitzky, pogroms, Baby Yar, Bandera.

    Jewish Center Dnepropetrovsk - big investment.
     Jewish money, Chabad. Commercial center, Hotel ,
      Revival.
        The comeback of the Eternal Jew.
         Shouldnt we be proud ?
Hardy

----- Original Message -----
From: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
To: "'Jacob Greenberg'" <grs_software_at_bigpond.com>; <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
Cc: <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Resilience

> Serah...I hear what you say. But..and it is a big "but". Go to Yad v'Shem
> and see how many Righteous Among the Nations are Ukrainian.And we all know
> that there were and are Ukrainian anti-Semites...yet I suggest going into
> Google and looking at "Dnepropetrovsk Jewish Centre",the world's largest
> Jewish Community Centre opened October last year. I live in London...and
> one of the current local scandals is a Liberal-Democrat MP who made
> statements equating the Jews to the Nazis...maybe he should join Svoboda??
> Yet neither in the UK nor in the Ukraine can you condemn a whole
> nation,particularly not for atrocities committed in the past. In
> Czernowitz
> I have been invited to several Jewish events,and the locals whom I met
> were
> of the opinion that the community is growing,so your deathbed prediction
> seems to me not valid. I agree,a huge number of Soviet Jews left...but the
> vast majority of those were not from the Ukraine,so I do not see the
> point.
> Cornel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-72623172-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-72623172-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jacob
> Greenberg
> Sent: 27 January 2013 03:41
> To: mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu
> Cc: Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Resilience
>
> Dear Mimi,
>
> I apologise again for using the word "resilience" instead of "adaptation
> to
> life under the Soviet regime". You had to be there to witness and to
> observe
>
> that phenomena. It is very hard to explain....so let's drop the subject.
> Funny, but "resilience" is the topic of my dissertation and my current
> research.
>
> Secondly, only a small percentage of full-blooded Jews remain in the
> territory of the former Soviet Union as about 2 million Soviet Jews left
> over the period of 1960-1990. So it was a very slim chance for our
> children
> and grandchildren to live there.
>
> I know that the list wants to discuss CZ before WWII and I have benefited
> a
> lot from learning about the past. But the Jewish life in Cz didn't stop
> during the period of 1945-1990. The way I see it, the Jewish presence on
> it's death bed now (1500-2000 Jews in Ch altogether), even if the
> Lubavichers Chassidim lighting the menora.
>
> Mimi, you did very well leaving in time. But not every one was able or
> wanted to leave. I wish my parents had left after the war but I would've
> never been born in 1954.
>
> As I already stated, not everybody was in a position to leave. My fathers'
> Bukoviner side of the family (the survivors) were allowed to return from
> Siberia only in 1948.
>
> The Bessarabian-born side of the family were too happy to have a big and
> supportive family that finally gathered in Chernovtsi and they decided to
> stay. Only one sister who was married to a wealthy Cz man (who perished in
> Russia) bravely left with a small child and have endured terrible hardship
> in Israel in the 50s and 60s, finely saved from her misery by the German
> restitution payments.
>
> I have never suffered in Chernovtsy either financially or socially and I
> was living in a beautiful place and I had a big family around me. The old
> Czernowitz was forever gone and I didn't know any better. People who
> stayed
>
> received good university education and a decent standard of life. My
> mother
> and most of her family studied medicine, my father became an accountant.
> In
> public you had to comply with the ideology but you could do what you
> wanted
> in the privacy of your homes. The problem is that Ukrainians are
> anti-Semites and murderers given an opportunity.
> That's why going back or even investing is out of question. It could've
> never happened while they were part of a strong USSR empire but now, when
> people are poor, anything can happen there.
>
> Some personal details: The Bessarabia-born family I was telling about was
> kept together and supported by Frima Flohr (my mother's aunt) who was
> married to a prominent Cz surgeon Dr Flohr (may their souls rest in
> peace).
>
> And a couple of questions:
> .
> Did anyone meet with or heard about the Dr Flohr's family?
>
> Do you think the List would be interested in materials that involve
> Chernowitzers who stayed into the Soviet times?
>
> Who, do you think, is a real Czernowitzer or a real Bukoviner? (this was a
> frequent theme of discussion in my family)
>
> Serah Greenberg (Kraft)
> Sydney, Australia
>
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