[Cz-L] Reciprocity

Reciprocity
I can only agree to Edgars expiatory approach:
  Let bygones be bygones but only on one condition:
   We forgive and forget all the wanton killing of Jews by Ukraineans
  only if the Ukraineans forgive and forget all the killings of Ukraineans
   by Jews .
Hardy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
To: <gfedner_at_gmail.com>
Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>; "Hardy Breier"
<hardy3_at_bezeqint.net>; "Jerome Schatten" <romers_at_shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: Resilience

Greg...

First of all welcome to the - active fraction of the - group and
congratulations on your brilliant analysis, but it doesn't justify nor even
explain several verbal faux pas, which I criticized and still firmly do.

Beyond any reasonable doubt, Ukrainians committed horrible atrocities before
and during WW2 and I don't spot any disagreement on this subject among the
memebers of our group. Perhaps you will remember the report on the "Massacre
in Kyseliv and Borivtsy"

http://czernowitz.ehpes.com/czernowitz11/kyseliv/keseliv-borivtsy.html

brought to us by Alti Rodal and empathetic visualized by Jerome Schatten.
Incredible barbarism committed by Ukrainians, on which I'm gooing to give a
lecture at the Jewish Community Düsseldorf in a near future. After WW2 the
offenders exculpated themselves as inimitably put in a nutshell by Hardy:

"These Jews who fled are no Czernowitzer. They never were. As long as the
business was good and they could rob the naive Ruthenian peasants all was
fine. As this was gone, the Jews were looking for new prey. Nothing attached
them to our city but profiteering. They were foreigners, aliens, didnt speak
our language and thought they were superior beings. Now they want their
houses back? We have stayed behind, kept and rebuilt their Temple. Placed
memorial plates on all the streets in their honor. And their singer Scnmidt
never sang one Ukrainean song!"

But, once again, that's still no justification for a cross-generational
sweeping judgement of Ukrainia in general and Ukrainians in particular.
Talking about Czernowitz as "a dead and a struggling place without the Jews"
is far, very far away from reality. Wether we like it or not, Czernowitz is
simply another city in another Ukraine, part of a consolidating Europe, but
everything but dead and a struggling place.

I'm not prepared for a competition in anti-Semitic sufferance between
Columbus and Sydney vs. London and Amsterdam, but something tells me, that
living in Columbus or Sydney the European consolidation and underständing
get a different priority... Just my two (and a half) cents...

This was my second and at the same time final contribution to this sprawling
thread.

Edgar Hauster
Lent - The Netherlands
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