Re: [Cz-L] Resilience

Yosef,

I am a Jewess from Bukowina. The Kraft family came to live in Bukowina
generations ago from somewhere in Austria. You said most of the Jews from
Bukovina left in 1945. Do you or anyone have the numbers, how many left and
how many stayed?

I don;t know how many stayed but there was a lot of German spoken around me
in my childhood. The municipal cleaner, the plumber, my piano teacher, our
family doctor, my parents' relatives and friends-they all were
German-speaking Bukowiners. And, of cause, there were many others, who spoke
Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Polish, Yiddish-the languages I heard at home,
the languages of Cz. Chernovtsy did not become Siberia during the Soviet
rule. And no, you didn't need 'komandirovka" to travel within USSR in the
60s and 70s, you needed money....

One of the List members wrote "And lastly this here List (at least in my
understanding), is an exercise in nostalgia about a world, we all
irretrievably lost". Is this indeed the purpose of the List? Well, what I
described above was the world I lost. It was far from perfect, there was no
democracy and there was unspoken numerus clausus but that was my world in
my beloved Cz for 19 years.

I have a question to the List moderators. Should Bukowiners who, G-d forbid,
lived in Cz under the Soviet regime, be excluded from the List?

According to the Ephes website "The mission of the Ehpes website is
two-fold: First and foremost, it serves the needs of the list members by
providing a collection point for Jewish genealogical and historical
materials primarily focused on the Czernowitz/Sadagora areas of Bukovina and
surrounds; and Second, the Website makes its resources available to all
researchers on the web by not copyrighting any of its original materials."

The Soviet period of Cz is a historical fact. Yesterday my daughter, who has
never visited Cz, expressed her interest in the Ephes website. What is she
going to find there about her parents past? The only material that relates
to the Khrushchev times is Asya Vaisman' "Sidi Tal and Yiddish Culture in
Czernowitz in the1940s-1980s ( Number 23).

Nevertheless, I am suggesting to the interested List members to read this
paper.

Serah Kraft

[Moderator's note: Bukoviners and their descendants, from any time period at all, are most welcome to be a part of the Cz-L list. In fact, ANYONE with an interest in Jewish Bukovina is most welcome. As to the coverage you find on our Ehpes website - it is entirely dependent on contributions of list members. Submit your material and suggestions to webmaster Jerome, and it will find a home on our website. If a period of time is poorly covered, it's due to a lack of submissions, not a lack of interest. Moderator Bruce]

----- Original Message -----
From: "yosi-jerry" <eshet1_at_netvision.net.il>
To: "Jacob Greenberg" <grs_software_at_bigpond.com>; <lapidotm_at_inter.net.il>
Cc: <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Resilience

> Serah
> I do not intend to dispute with you about your subjective memory and what
> you experienced both during the Soviet and Ukrainian period, same as I do
> not intend to dispute with people from our group about their subjective
> feelings they experienced while meeting -nowadays - the local Ukrainians.
> I know (again subjectively) the reason why my family, and most of the Jews
> fled from Soviet ruled North Bukovina - at the first opportunity they
> had. The reason was that they lived under a discriminatory regime that
> constantly threatened their freedom. It is good that all of us have this
> list where we can share our views about our lives as Jews in Bukowina.
> Maybe there will come sometime when an historian will write an objective
> research based on what we wrote here.
> Yosef Eshet
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jacob Greenberg" <grs_software_at_bigpond.com>
> To: <lapidotm_at_inter.net.il>
> Cc: <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Resilience
>
>
>> Dear Mordecai,
>>
>> No, we haven't enjoyed the Soviet period and my parents left as soon as =
>> they had a chance to do so. But we had to adapt and this is a long =
>> story.
>>
>> It was an interesting period in the history of Cz and I would like the =
>> website to have more information about Cz of 1945-1990s. At least the =
>> same interest they have in the current Ukrainian present and in the =
>> Austrian and Romanian past.
>>
>> Historically, Cz once again became a part of a huge empire. People who =
>> stayed had to gain new insights and to adapt to a new ideology, new =
>> language and culture and, to explore the geographical vastness of USSR.
>>
>> I was born after Stalin's death (or murder, as the new historical =
>> evidence shows), in Khrushchev times, when the repressions stopped.=20
>>
>> On a personal level I have benefited from an excellent European =
>> education and I have enjoyed living in a beautiful, multicultural city =
>> among one of the largest Jewish population any given geographical place =
>> has ever had.
>>
>> I craved freedom and we never adapted the communist ideology to our Cz =
>> thinking. Most of us just waited for an opportunity to leave which my =
>> father and his family missed returning from Siberian exile in 1948.
>>
>> Serah Kraft
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