Re: [Cz-L] Resilience

Good morning Mimi, Hardy and everybody else,

yes, Hardy is right, about 50 percent of the German Jews survived because they left Germany early enough. From those who stayed only very few survived, either because they managed to stay alive in the camps or were hidden.

Historians like Raul Hilberg doubt that there was a German plan from the very begining on. In his work "The Extermination of European Jews" he describes the dangerous dynamics and escalations within the huge number of people involved in persecution and the bureaucratic decisions to be made by them day by day. What started with rethorics ended with the assasination of millions. Hilberg identifies the knowledge that the "Jewish question" was of top priority for Hitler as the driving force behind those people's motivation. Every step of radicalization improved the chance to build a career under the conditions of dictatorship and war. Hilberg's work belonges to the very few books that helped me to understand why the holocaust happend and not only how.

Those who don't like to read a comprehensive work in three volumes can listen to Raul Hilberg in Claude Lanzman's documentary Shoah.

Christian

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> Datum: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:09:46 -0500
> Von: Felix Garfunkel <felixg1_at_prodigy.net>
> An: Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> CC: Jacob Greenberg <grs_software_at_bigpond.com>, Arthur von Czernowitz <vonczernowitz_at_yahoo.com>, "<Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>" <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
> Betreff: Re: [Cz-L] Resilience

> In regards to the German plans with the German Jews, it is interesting
> that more than 50 percent of GermanJews survived, because they left Germany
> early. Before the war started.
> That is what I understand.
>
> Felix
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> > The debate over who suffered more; Romanian Jews or Polish,
> > Ukrainian and Hungarian Jews, is an old debate and a very ugly one.
> > Each individual person who suffered because of the Holocaust,
> > even though aware of the calamity which had befallen all European Jews,
> > experienced his or her suffering individually;
> > A Hungarian Jewish mother whose children were gassed in Auschwitz
> > and a Bukovina Jewish mother whose children died of hunger or frostbite,
> > both suffered terribly. Nothing to debate or discuss.
> >
> > It is a fact, that in some countries a greater or lesser percentage
> > of the Jewish population survived. The Germans, in their own country
> > and in all the territories they conquered, had exact plans as to what to
> do
> > with their Jewish population, almost from the start.
> > German Austrian and Check Jews were sent to death camps or work camps,
> > which eventually, also became death camps. In the countries and
> territories
> > they conquered, they initially practiced "death by bullets" - Mass
> shooting
> > of the Jewish population. When they realized that death by bullets was
> inefficient,
> > they shipped the Jewish population to the death-camps. Old people,
> children
> > and their mothers were killed immediately, young healthy men and women
> > were used as slave labor and often managed to survive.
> >
> > The Romanians had no detailed plans as to what to do with the Jews
> > they deported to the newly conquered part of Ukraine, called
> Transnistria,
> > which extended east of Romania, into Ukraine up to the river Bug.
> > They just wanted to get rid of them. That is why, they established few
> > organized camps and no organized mass killings in Transnistria.
> > That is why most Bucovina Jews, who were deported and died in
> Transnistria,
> > died on the forced marches to Transnistria, or perished there from
> hunger,
> > cold and disease.
> > The territory east of the Bug had been conquered by German forces
> > and was under their rule.
> > Some of the Romanian soldiers were squeamish about killing Jews,
> > that is why they handed the old, or infirm or rebellious Jews over
> > to the Germans on the other side of the Bug, where they were executed,
> > either by shooting or by hanging.
> >
> > Three of my relatives were murdered on the eastern side of the Bug;
> > a great aunt Hana Wisnitzer and her daughter Rifka, by shooting.
> > And a cousin of my mother, Itzik Fruchter was hanged.
> > A German officer also wanted to murder his three children
> > and came looking for them in the camp, but the oldest daughter,
> > then about 14 years old managed to hide herself and her siblings
> > inside rucksacks and thus escaped death.
> > To the best of my knowledge, they are all still alive and have children,
> > grandchildren and probably great-grandchildren.
> >
> > Mimi
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