Re: [Cz-L] Are we Rumanians ?

Hi
Just to avoid any misunderstanding of my previous concise letter; I did not
take any position whether the survival of the Jewish people is/was good
(for the Jews/the world), was it worth or not. It is an open question for
each one to think ad decide
Paul

[Moderator's note: Please let's not stray to far afield from Bukovina/Czernowitz Jewish History and Genealogy. Bruce]

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Paul Heger <pheger_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> Just a short reply to Mimi
> You are right in your first statement that it is not written what for we
> are or were chosen. It is deliberately left open, as I apprehend it,
> permitting to everyone to interpret it in his way and according to his
> beliefs and intellect or vice/verso. We are not chosen to be Na wenad, but
> this is the consequence of the rabbinic revolution of Judaism at the time
> of the last period of the Second Temple, who replaced the concrete cult in
> the Temple and the holiness of Jerusalem by an intellectual concept of
> studying the Torah. Judaism was no more connected to a holy place and to
> the priority of the Aaronite genealogical clan; Wherever Jews meet and pray
> and study the Torah becomes a holy place, and the learned Jew has a higher
> rank than the High Priest. (Mishna Horaiot 3: 8) THAT IS THE EXPLANATION
> OF THE ODDITY THAT THE JEWS REMAINED A SEPARATE PEOPLE WITH a particular
> culture (religion?) despite or possibley because they were dispersed all
> over the world, while the other ancient cultures disappeared.
> Paul
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:41 AM, fred love <fredhotman_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have never considered myself Roumanian, although I was born there
>> least one forgets our citizenship was taken from us but never
>> restored. My passport states place of birth as Czernowitz/ Bukovina.
>> When applying for my passport, I stated I am stateless. When I applied for
>> a current birth certificate from the Czernowitzer Authority
>> it stated I was born in the Ukraine of Jewish nationality.
>> I rejected this novel atribute. I must agree with Mimi
>> I am a Jewish Czernowitzer and proud of it.
>>
>> Fred Weisinger
>> -----
>>
>>
>> Original Message -----
>> From: Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
>> To: Paul Heger <pheger_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: HARDY BREIER <HARDY3_at_bezeqint.net>; CZERNOWITZ-L <
>> Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
>> Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013 3:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Are we Rumanians ?
>>
>> In answer to Hardy and Paul Heger:
>>
>> We are Not Romanians, even though our birth certificates say that we are.
>> Therefore we cannot be either good or bad Romanians.
>> But if we were Romanians, we would be the best.
>> Ask any true Romanian in either the North Bukovina or the South Bucovina
>> and they will tell you the same. They will tell you that we are more
>> industrious,
>> better educated and cleaner. (that is what a peasant woman told my son,
>> when he stayed in a village in the south Bucovina.)
>> Furthermore; Stefan cel Mare (Stephen the great) had his capital in
>> Radauti.
>> He certainly is considered a great Romanian, therefore by extension, so
>> are we.
>>
>> I like Paul's joke. But as to being the chosen people: Nowhere in the
>> Bible
>> does it say, what we were chosen for. It seems to me, that we were chosen
>> to be "Na va-nad". (moving and wandering).
>> That is why, when someone asks me where I am from, I say: I was born
>> in a city which now is part of the Ukraine, when I was borne, it was part
>> of Romania and until the end of WW1 it was part of Austria-Hungary.
>> That is why my first language was German. But I grew up in Israel and now
>> live in the US.
>>
>> In my own mind, I am a Jewish Czernowitzer of the older generation, or
>> to the initiated, "Ein Echter Czernowitzer" (a true Czernowitzer).
>>
>> Mimi

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