Re: [Cz-L] Resilience

Dear Mimi,
The Romanians may had not have had detailed plans for mass executions, but they had them anyway. This a short list from our office:
"In Domanovka --18,000; in Bogdanovka -- 48,000; in Acmechetka -- 5,000; in Vertujeni -- 23,000. The main worry of the Romanian military was that they may get infected with typhus from the Jewish deportees.
The Romanian were not as efficient as the German but somehow they did with the help of the local Ukrainian population.
Would you like for me to describe what I witness, as a 4 year old? I have nightmares; those pictures just will not leave me.
We cannot stop this discussion till people stop belittle and denying the suffering of the Jews who were deported to Transnitria.
I am not just talking about the Cz List.

Arthur

--- On Mon, 2/4/13, Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu> wrote:

> From: Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Resilience
> To: "Arthur von Czernowitz" <vonczernowitz_at_yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Jacob Greenberg" <grs_software_at_bigpond.com>, Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
> Date: Monday, February 4, 2013, 6:20 AM
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Like you I was very upset about a member of this list
> calling
> the deportation and murder of the Jews of Czernowitz, or
> the Bucovina in Transnistria, "Holocaust Lite".
> I wanted to stop the discussion about who suffered more
> and who suffered less. I certainly did not mean to belittle
> or deny the suffering of the Jews of Czernowitz and the
> Bukovina.
>
> In my previous Email I wrote:
> >> The Romanians had no detailed plans as to what to
> do with
> >> the Jews they deported to the newly conquered part
> of Ukraine,
> >> called Transnistria, which extended east of
> Romania, into Ukraine
> >> up to the river Bug. They just wanted to get rid of
> them.
> >> That is why, they established few organized camps
> and no
> >> organized mass killings in Transnistria.
> >> That is why most Bucovina Jews, who were deported
> and died
> >> in Transnistria, died on the forced marches to
> Transnistria,
> >> or perished there from hunger, cold and disease.
>
> My intention was to emphasize that the murder of the Jews
> of Bucovina was not centrally planed as was the murder
> of German, Polish or Hungarian Jews and that because of
> this,
> a higher percentage of them survived.
> This does not deny or contradict that 2000 Jews were killed
> in the streets of Czernowitz in July 1941, by Romanian
> soldiers
> "working in league with local residents, gendarmes and
> German
> soldiers", nor that local residents and Romanian army
> units,
> on their own, did commit mass murders in the villages and
> smaller towns in the Bukovina, nor that thousands died in
> transit
> and work-camps in Transnistria, nor that large numbers
> of Bucovina Jews were shot in Transnistria or on the way
> there.
>
> Mimi
>
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>
>
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>
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Arthur von Czernowitz wrote:
>
> > Dear Mimi,
> > Yes there were organizer mass killings:
> > The beginning July 1941 more than 2,000 Jews were
> killed in the streets in Czernowitz by Romanian troops,
> including the chief Rabbi Mark.
> > From Bukovina, thousands were taken into fields and
> forests, ordered to dig enormous mass graves, and shot.
> Those who dumped the bodies into the graves were shot after
> their job was done; they were barely covered with dirt. At
> times the earth would move from people who were buried while
> still alive. The following numbers of Jews murdered by
> shooting speak for themselves "In Domanovka --18,000; in
> Bogdanovka -- 48,000; in Acmechetka -- 5,000; in Vertujeni
> -- 23,000, there is more.  It is just not recognized,
> our office is fighting with Yad Veshem.
> > There is a true story that some peasants bought the
> living Jews for 1,500-2,000 lei, and then had them shot by
> the soldiers so that they could take off their clothes.
> >
> > August 2010, in a place called Budi, I found the mass
> grave where my mother was buried.
> >
> > We did not suffer more than the Jews at Auschwitz, our
> people died just the same.
> >
> > Calling Transnitria Holocaust Lite is very upsetting.
> >
> > Arthur

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