Re: [Cz-L] Bukovina Ya'avetzs in the news

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Dear all, as I realized that I hit the reply all button only for my first
answer, and the other answers went only to the particular person that wrote
to me, I am now sending to the lis the other tidbits that kept me busy
today.

with my compliments:

Dear Mimi, if I may be "Per du" - We are clearly related.

The big controversy was fought by the son Jacob ben Zwi who lived in
Emden. His father - the Zwi Ashkenazi of Haham Zwi fame - had nothing to do
with Emden as I will mention below. The strange thing is that the claim to
being a descendant from King David was made by the son - what does this say
about the father?

Further, it is possible that the "Jiches" thing is simply a way to give
recognition to a great and commonly accepted wise Rabbi and it is not a DNA
attribute. Nevertheless, I accepted all my life the responsibility of
thinking that this supposed lineage put on my sholders. Today, retired,
I mainly use my time to promote the concept of Sustainability as on
www.SustainabiliTank.info <http://www.sustainabilitank.info/>

Back to my lineage - I do not have details except the rolling names Zwi and
Jacob and the tradition in the family I heard from my father.
Also, I.L. Peretz wrote about the decline of the Rabbis of Jawetz in East
Europe.

Zwi Ashkenazi started in the Balkans, lived in Sarajevo and Istanbul and
fought Shabtai Zwi and Shabtaism. He later moved to Altona and eventually
onto the North Sea Jewish route to Amsterdam. He officiated in Altona (near
Hamburg) and Amsterdam - never on the way-station Emden. His son, who
followed his teachings, was the one to fight Eibschitz and the outgrowth
that eventually led to Hassidism. This because they feared sectarianism
they learned about from the father having experienced Shabtai Zwi. So your
Rabbi must have dealt with the Ya'abetz.

My father was part of the Gloria Liquerfabrik in Czernowitz. They also
owned manufacturing in Radauti in Southern Bukovina.
The Grandfather had a flour mill in Doroshautz in North-North Bukowina on
the Dniester river. Most relatives were from West Galizia.
By the way - the Senator's father was just from the other side of the
Dniester in Eastern Galizia.

I was born in Czernowitz in 1935 and we left in 1945.
Best regards

and

The town of EMDEN is at the mouth of the river Ems at the North Sea border
between Germany and the Netherlands. On the other side is Dutch Groningen.
I visited the place when I had the occasion to see the huge wind-mills
for-energy set up in the water in the Frisien Islands area. I stayed over
after that tour in order to visit with the municipality and find out about
Rabbi Jacobus von Emden. I realized that there is real pride in having had
him in that town.

Amazing. Specially please remember that Christianity claims that Jesus's
earthly parents - both of them - descended from King David. What kind of
relationship does that award to the Rabbi from Emden? The area had a mix of
Protestants and was rather friendly to Jews that moved between Amsterdam
and Altona (Hamburg). Young Jacobus was one of such travelers and was
housed in Emden by a very rich Jewish merchant ending up marrying his
daughter and becoming the Rabbi of Emden and a main force in Judaism of
those days. The local historian tells you all of this!

The friendly attitude to Jews seemingly continued on both sides of the
mouth of the Ems River. I remember in 1959 a protestant young woman from
Groningen that came to work on a kibbutz and learn Hebrew. I met her on the
boat going home and wondering that the Israelis she met were not what she
expected.

Pincas

and

from Jerry-Josi - There is also a village by the name of Kfar Yavets in
Israel.

The village was founded on 10 April 1932 as a kibbutz, later a religious
moshav. It was named for Rabbi Ze'ev Yavetz, a founder of the
Mizrachi<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrachi_%28religious_Zionism%29>movement.
In the Sharon - Not far from Netanya.

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That was the first answer

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Pincas Jawetz <pjawetz_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you,
> *very interesting indeed - and it sounds like Royalty having written to
> Royalty. Rabbi Jacob Ben Zwi Emden - the first Ya'abetz - spelled correctly
> in German Jawetz of the town Emden (son of another important Rabbi - Zwi
> Ashkenazi), in North Germany, is believed to have been of the lineage of
> King David. When I visited Emden (once also spelled Embden) I was shown
> proudly a whole closet of books on Jacobus von Embden as the Ya'abetz is
> held in high esteem by the city government that has a historian that
> followed the subject.
> *
> The spelling Ya'avetz is a transcript of the name from its Hebrew original
> and was introduced in Israel by Professor Zvi Ya'avetz in a way of
> Hebraicising the name that he chose in Israel taking his mother's maiden
> family name (they were from Czernowitz in the Bukovina) in order to have a
> Hebrew name.
>
> Another famous historian - Zeev Ya'abetz, who was not from the Bukovina,
> chose a slightly different transcript using the "b" form (streets are named
> after him in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. I assume that young Zvi chose the "v"
> in order to accentuate the difference. I never knew about the Haifa
> Ya'awetz family and I am a Czernowitz Jawetz myself. My father was also a
> Zwi Jawetz in Jerusalem (in Czernowitz he was known as Herman or Hirsch
> which is Zwi). The names Zwi and Jacob being two obvious choices in the
> family. Interesting, I had an uncle Meir who ended up in New York - so it
> is possible that this was a recurrent name as well. One Herbert (Hersh)
> Yawitz I met lately in New York.
>
> In fact, when US Senator from New York Jacob Javits, whose father was a
> Jawetz from neighboring Eastern Galizia, came to Israel, a reunion of
> Jawetzes was planned, and some archival material must have been collected
> at that time. I would like thus as well to be put in contact with whoever
> has access now to that material. The Jawetzes from North and South
> Bukovina, as well as from Germany, both Galizias, Poland and the Baltic
> States are now all over the world. I discovered on my google a list of
> people in the countries of the Southern cone of Latin America, and actually
> met two families in South Africa that were not related to each other - so
> far as they knew. A very interesting case happened to be when I met General
> Haiim Jawetz who got to Israel from Egypt - but it turned out that via
> Istanbul the family actually originated from Galizia and a branch includes
> the Jabes of France etc. etc. A look at the different spellings is a lesson
> in Jewish history.
>
> With best wishes to all,
> Pincas Jawetz
> the Pincas was given to me because of my maternal grand father who
> immigrated to the US but returned home to Bukowina.
>
> ===========
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:19 AM, michael kransdorff <mkransdorff_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been following this interesting story on Haaretz about an
>> Israeli girl who was a 'pen pal' to King George V. I am sharing it with
>> the
>> list because they have discovered that her family is from Bukovina. I
>> guess
>> royalist (not only to the Hapsburgs) tendencies are in our blood.
>>
>> Also of relevance to me, the article mentions that the Ya'avetzs are
>> descendants of Rabbi Jacob Emdin. I have Jawitz family and we also claim
>> to
>> be descended from Rabbi Emdin.
>>
>> So does anyone know anything about the Bukovina Ya'avetzs? Can you put me
>> in touch with them?
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> Identity of King George V's penpal discovered
>> Haaretz published a letter that Yehudit Ya'avetz, 12, of Haifa wrote
>> to King George V of England in 1935, after it was discovered in
>> Israel's State Archives. Our readers were called upon to help trace
>> Ya'avetz's footsteps, and lead to the revelation of a moving,
>> historical tale.
>>
>>
>> http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/identity-of-king-george-v-s-penpal-discovered.premium-1.502283
>>
>> Thanks to our readers efforts, the identity of the girl who wrote the
>> congratulatory letter to the British King was brought to light, after
>> it was published last week.
>>
>> Yehudit Ya'avetz wrote the letter in 1935, while she was 12, in
>> Hebrew. She sent it from Haifa, to where she had emigrated two years
>> previously from Germany. On the occasion of the 25th anniversary of
>> his coronation, Ya'avetz thanked the king for helping the Jewish
>> people "to establish their national home and to repair the ruins of
>> our Holy Land under the patronage of His Majesty."
>>
>> Haaretz published the letter after it was revealed on a State Archives
>> blog commemorating the 80th anniversary of the Nazis rise to power and
>> the subsequent immigration of the Yekkes, the German Jews, to Israel.
>>
>> Many readers answered Haaretz's call to assist in locating Yehudit,
>> and the details provided by one of them, genealogist Eli Melitz -
>> helped find her. The details he provided Haaretz led to contact with
>> Yehudit's daughter, Dr. Nira Reiss. Yehudit, it turns out, is no
>> longer alive. She passed away in 1981, while in her late 50s.
>>
>> Yehudit Ya'avetz was born in Manheim, Germany, in 1923. Her father,
>> Meir, was a descendant of Rabbi Jacob Emden, who was known as the
>> Ya'avetz and was one of the greatest rabbis of the 18th century.
>>
>> Meir grew up in Bukovina, Romania. He was sent to Manheim to recover
>> from a gunshot wound in his leg while he was serving in Italy as an
>> officer of the Austro-Hungarian army during World War One.
>>
>> Meir met Yehudit's mother, Esther, in Germany. Esther was born in
>> Poland and came to Manheim as a youth to help her brother, who was a
>> watchmaker, in his shop. The two married and had two daughters:
>> Yehudit and Devora.
>>
>> When Yehudit was 10, in 1933, the family immigrated to the Land of
>> Israel and settled in Haifa. The father, who was a Zionist, chose
>> Israel even though his father, his brother and his sister immigrated
>> to the United States. He found work as a court translator, thanks to
>> his command of several languages.
>>
>> Meir taught his daughter Yehudit Hebrew from an early age. And so, by
>> the time she was 12, Yehudit was able to write King George V a letter
>> in eloquent, beautiful language. "We are hereby contented in the land
>> of our forefathers, and we feel ourselves safe, under the patronage of
>> His Majesty," she wrote in a formal style. "I apologize dearly that my
>> knowledge of the English language is still insufficient to express my
>> feelings in this language, but I hope that the lilt of the Hebrew
>> language will intermingle in the ears of His Majesty."
>>
>> Why did the refugee girl from Germany decide to write King George V?
>> Her daughter Nira speculates that the letter was not Yehudit's
>> initiative, but rather was written as part of a project at her school.
>> Haaretz received documents from additional archives attesting that in
>> the same year, which was the occasion of the king's Silver Jubilee,
>> several letters of congratulations were sent to him from the Land of
>> Israel.
>>
>> It was in the same year that the name King George V was given to the
>> street in Tel Aviv formerly known as Hacarmel Street.
>>
>> Upon completing her studies, Yehudit worked as a secretary in the
>> offices of the British Navy in the German Colony neighborhood at
>> Haifa, and married Shlomo Reiss in 1945. "Since then she was a
>> full-time mother," says her daughter. The two had four children:
>> Yaakov, Talia, Michal and Nira.
>>
>> Yehudit was buried in 1981 in the old Carmel beach cemetery alongside
>> her husband Shlomo, her parents Meir and Esther and her husband's
>> parents - Yaakov and Sarah. Her descendants include grandchildren and
>> great-grandchildren.
>>

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