[Cz-L] Generalizations...

Serah...

Although I'm appreciating your engagement, especially focussing on post-WW2 (Jewish) history in Czernowitz and Bukovina, I can't help but confronting you with some of your own statements over the last months:

24.01.2013: Who wants to live there, among the descendants of murderers?
24.01.2013: In fact, they [Ukrainians] are thieves that have the hutzpa to sell something that doesn't belong to them- namely, the Jewish houses!
27.01.2013: The problem is that Ukrainians are anti-Semites and murderers given an opportunity.
28.01.2013: ...ask them [Ukrainians] to return your property in the informal manner and I
won't give one grivna for your life.
28.01.2013: ...for me, their [Ukrainians] murderous greediness is crystal clear.
31.01.2013: I am not condemning personally anyone, but some nations are more at fault than others.
31.01.2013: ...no one here [Ehpes] is blaming Romanians in mass atrocities, even though they were Germany's allies.
19.02.2013: I did not expressed horror, I just posted my opinion.

Does that sound to you as just posting an opinion? Sorry, not to me - see 27.01.2013 (!) - and therefore I criticized some of your statements as "attribution of kin liabilty and collective guilt by - ethnic - generalization", not to name it more precisely. Well, in my view, those statements led finally to a certain disintegration of our group, unfortunately culminating by Hardy's posting strike.

As you, dear Serah, I had prefered not to touch this subject again, but...

Edgar Hauster
Lent - The Netherlands

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> From: grs_software_at_bigpond.com
> To: charles.polak_at_bbc.co.uk
> CC: Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] To all list members and Re: [Cz-L] I don't agree (Zev Ciohen)
> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:34:46 +1100
>
> Charles,
>
> I would prefer not to touch this subject again as this subject is a very
> sensitive one, both for me personally and for the List members.
>
> I did not expressed horror, I just posted my opinion. Unlike most of the
> List contributors, I lived and studied in Chernovtsy with the local
> Ukrainians for 19 years of my life. My opportunities were limited but I
> felt safe there because, at that time, the Russians were ruling Bukovina
> with an iron fist.
>
> Secondly, the locals who butchered the members of my family were not Nazi
> collaborators and it's a sad but historical fact. They never joined any
> party or expressed any ideological motives. Some of them were good
> neighbours who did it because of a long stored hatred and greed, and because
> the unstable political situation allowed them to do so. It can happen
> anywhere anytime and it is very scary.
>
> I am also sceptical about the restitution. As I already mentioned, most of
> the properties were privatised during the Soviet times and that takes the
> responsibility out of the Ukrainian hands. My cousin and aunt (who never
> left Cz) told me that renting out to private people is not safe there. I
> have an additional information on the subject which I prefer to keep to
> myself. Maybe, it will happen in the future, when Ukraine reaches the level
> of a relative prosperity the Czech Republic is enjoying.
>
> There is no need for anyone to blame themselves or others for our little
> cyberspace drama. I am a group facilitator and a researcher and I was amazed
> to find out that even a cyber group closely follows a model of group
> development.
>
> The List moderators have passed the test with flying colours. The
> discussions have reached a new level of maturity and controversy.
> I hope that we all learned to be more sensitive and tolerant to each other.
>
> Serah Kraft

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