Re: [Cz-L] To all list members and Re: [Cz-L] I don't agree (Zev Ciohen)

2-17-13

Zev, once again you have precisely nailed the issue. In addition, your
comment "if someone is not interested in one or other thread or finds it not
to his or her taste, they are free to fast forward" is a fair rebuttal to
Mr. Hauster's comment of today stating "I'm very doubtful that the silent
majority of our group will be amused and/or motivated by such a persisitent
thread, going round in circles and reminding me of bygone (kindergarten)
times". As to Mr. Hauster's furthur statement that "Moderation is not
censorship". Mr Hauster is technically correct although I would state
instead that while moderation should not be censorship, it can become so if
the moderator is biased on one issue or another and prevents the expression
of an opposing view. The major difference between a censor and a moderator
is that a moderator guides participation prior to having to uphold any
moderation guidelines (rules) and also attempts to prevent a problem before
it happens by creating an environment within which guidelines are implicitly
invoked through the moderator's own active interest and engagement, whereas
in the area of censorship, a work is created (e.g. a film) and then censors
act on it in relation to their own guidelines, either banning the work or
rating it accordingly. The censor does not participate in the creation of
the work or provide advice nor guide the creative process according to those
(the moderator's) guidelines.

I think a better understanding of the moderator's action would best be
served if Hardy's post(s), which the moderator(s) determined to contain
offensive language or were off topic, be posted to the List with an
explanation by the moderator(s) as to why they came to those conclusions.
This could serve as a useful guideline or rule for the List members to
follow.

Gary Rogovin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zev Cohen" <cohen.zev_at_gmail.com>
To: <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
Cc: "Hardy Breier" <HARDY3_at_bezeqint.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:30 AM
Subject: [Cz-L] I don't agree

> [Please post in Plain Text --thanks]
>
> Sorry, with all due respect for their great contributions to the list, but
> I don't agree at all with Christian or with Edgar. This list has always
> dealt mainly with the issues that they mention, but here and there,
> thankfully, it has widened its scope to CZ oriented matters that may not
> exactly be of interest to them personally or perhaps to their personal
> taste. And yes they may generate emotions and sharp exchanges. All the
> more
> reason to follow the list.
> In fact, these subjects usually attract the most attention and response
> from list members, including the silent majority. This is the uniqueness
> of
> the dialogue here. There are many other sites and forums for pure
> genealogy
> if that is all that one wants. As for this special flavorful and spicy
> give
> and take, if someone is not interested in one or other thread or finds it
> not to his or her taste they are free to fast forward.
> Again, we are not children who need guidance. The moderator's intervention
> is acceptable only in rare egregious cases and we don't need protection
> from our fellow CZ'ers. My late mother who ties me to Czernowitz had that
> spicy character that I find in Hardy too. Let the people express
> themselves. We will always find our way back to the central subjects.
> And having said that, Hardy must definitely remain a central pillar of
> this
> list.
>
> Zev
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of
 Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed
 in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not necessarily
 the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members
 or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has
 an associated web site at http://czernowitz.ehpes.com that includes a
 searchable archive of all messages posted to this list. As a result,
 Messages sent to the list are available to the general public within days
 of posting.

Please post in "Plain Text" if possible (help available at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/PlainText.html>).

To remove your address from this e-list follow the directions at:

<http://www.it.cornell.edu/services/elist/howto/user/leave.cfm>

To receive assistance for this e-list send an e-mail message to:
<owner-Czernowitz-L_at_list.cornell.edu>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Received on 2013-02-17 15:34:18