RE: [Cz-L] To all list members and Re: [Cz-L] I don't agree (Zev Ciohen)

As a non-Czernowitzer - as I've written, Praguer (Pruger?) and Olmitzer - I "don't have a dog in this fight". However, I have a slight fear of having unwittingly set off threads related to Restitution which may have increased controversy to Hardy's and our Moderators' breaking point.

What I wrote about was the Czech state's restitution of property in Olomouc that had belonged to my father's family, which my late mother achieved nearly 20 years ago, working with helpful local lawyers. It succeeded so well that rent (controlled to much the level originally charged by the municipality) from the apartments into which the Nazis or Communists had divided it now reaches my bank account, and our family uses one recently vacated apartment for ourselves.

My possibly fatal query was whether such restitution may be possible for property in Czernowitz. I think that the crux of the matter was established by someone else's clarifying that the Czech Republic has a well-defined law of restitution, but Ukraine as yet does not - this may come in the future, perhaps with Ukrainian attempts to meet early conditions for EU application.

Serah in Australia was horrified at the very suggestion of "coming back to live with murderers". While I've certainly heard of the massacres and other atrocities committed by Ukrainian Nazi-collaborationist militias, and the usefulness to the Nazis of some of their members as death-camp goons (not to speak of incidents recounted on our List!) my recent experience of Ukrainians has been quite good, both in Kiev and in the UK diaspora; so I didn't share Serah's horror, especially as the Czechs in a somewhat parallel situation couldn't have behaved better. Yet I felt that I didn't know enough to contribute any further to the controversy.

Others I think did continue with it, and seemed to me to have merged this thread with the "Resilience" one. The controversy seems to have escalated.

Please, Moderators, don't be too severe on a veteran and colourfully excellent contributor like Hardy, or narrow the subject-matter too strictly to such an issue as Genealogy only. On the other hand, let's all stay moderate in the emotions we express, and in generalizations made about ethnic or historical allegiances.

Charles Polak

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From: bounce-74349035-3499287_at_list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-74349035-3499287_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Reisch
Sent: 18 February 2013 16:43
To: CZERNOWITZ-L
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] To all list members and Re: [Cz-L] I don't agree (Zev Ciohen)

Dear List Members and Dear Gary,

To Gary:
While I do appreciate your concern and interest in the list, posting a
rejected post is counter-intuitive. I found the post at the center of
this storm to be off-topic and probably offensive; posting it now would
defeat the purpose of a moderated list, and at the same time, I don't wish
to offend. There are two individuals who received the same email
privately, and one agreed with my decision, while the other didn't
express an opinion.

To all list members:
I join everyone in asking Hardy to post again. I can't express this any
better than you have done already. I completely agree that he is a valued
member of the list, and is most welcome to continue to post. In fact, he
is still a member of the list. He has not unsubscribed so we can
assume that he continues to read list emails.

As moderators, we have simple rules - stay reasonably on-topic and be
respectful and civil to each other. (Post in Plain Text too! - but we
don't reject non-Plain Text posts.) Very few posts are ever rejected. If
a message is ever rejected for being off topic, it can always be
posted to our Off-Topic Blog, <http://ehpes.com/blog1/>, thanks to the
skills of Edgar Hauster and Jerome Schatten.

Some of the worst times we've had on the list have been the result of a
perceived insult not intercepted by the moderators. Once posted, the
messages that follow fly fast and furious and everyone wants to respond
tit for tat on the list. Meanwhile, most readers just want to go back to
on-topic posts, and not listen in on the argument.

 If I've made some mistakes as a moderator, I apologize for that. I do
admit to being human; I'm not perfect, but I do my best. Let's return now,
I hope, to our regularly scheduled program. ;-)

Warmest wishes,

Bruce

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