Re: [Cz-L] An infamous Czernowitzer

Pessach,

You and Christian are right that the actions of one person should not
indict
a whole group. If Josef Burg is indeed from Czernowitz, we
Czernowitzers,
or the Jewish people are not necessarily to be painted by the same
brush.

On the issue of whether the Jewish Agency, the internal government
of the Jews in Palestine, had enough money or were willing to spend it
to rescue the Jews of Europe, I would like to see more source material.

While it is possible that this is actually what happened, I find it
hard to believe.
After all, the Jews living in Palestine in 1941 - 1944 did have close
relatives
in central and eastern Europe. In 1943 and 1944 ships were rented
to evacuate Jews from Europe.

What may have influenced J. Burg to be so anti Israeli, is that at
the time
he immigrated to Israel, there were many conflicts between the "Vatikim"
( veteran Jewish inhabitants) and "Olim Chadashim" (new immigrants).
The Vatikim were used to harsh living conditions and a majority of them
were Socialists. The Olim Chadashim had suffered a lot and hoped
for a better life. They had experienced Communism and therefore
were very much against Socialism.
The Vatikim thought: If all Jews would have been Zionists and moved
to Palestine, they would not have been exposed to the Holocaust.
The Olim thought: This country is run like an Oligarchy, this is not
what
I came here for.

Mimi

On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:58 AM, Paul Heger wrote:

>
> Hi everybody
>
> I wish to refer in short to Christian=92s apology regarding the
> Czernowitze=
> r
> Ginsburg. I agree with his conclusion that the misbehavior of one
> person,
> does not indicate about the behavior of the other members of his
> faith or
> inhabitants of the same city. Since, the exchange of mail on this
> issue
> touches a most sensitive bond of the Jewish people and the
> interrelationship between the Diaspora and the Jewish settlement in
> Palestine before the establishment in Israel and to a certain
> extent even
> today between Israel and the world=92s Jewish communities ( see for
> example
> the latest topic of the X, Ben Zeiger from Melbourne) I wish to
> draw the
> attention of our readers to the issue of whether the Jewish Agency,
> the
> internal government of the Jews in Palestine, has done whatever
> they could
> to try rescuing the European Jews during the Shoah. While Ginsburg,
> wherever he comes from, went to extreme accusing the Zionist
> movement of
> active collaboration with the Nazis, other voices accusing it of
> negligence
> in rescuing them and preferring the to use the available financial
> means
> for the building of the new state, rather than for rescuing Jews were
> raised also by others. Malkiel Weissmandel, a rabbi brought up such
> accusation, and there are indications that the members of the
> Jewish Agency
> decided not to allocate money for efforts to rescue Jews from the
> Diaspora,
> but to use the scarce financial means rather for preparing a
> homeland for
> those Jews which will remain alive after the war. I am not taking any
> position of who is right and who is wrong, but I thought that our blog
> should not be one-sided and our readers should receive coflicting
> viewpoints and judge for theselves. (The data is based on reliable
> sources,
> but since it is not an academic discussion, I did not divulge them)
>
> Pessach Paul Heger
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Christian Herrmann
> <cyberorange_at_gmx.de>wro=
> te:
>
>> Dear Mimi,
>
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