Richtige Czernowitzer

Here’s a place to continue this discussion… What discussion, you ask? The one that started with ‘Czernowitzers in categories‘ and morphed into ‘Richtige Czernowitzer’. Just leave a comment below — it’s that simple. Immediate posting, no interference, no moderation.Ask your doctor if being a ‘Richtige Czernowitzer’ is right for you. Side effects may include but are not limited to: confusion; a heightened sense of self worth; a diminished sense of self worth; chest pain; and night sweats.Jerome -a zero* CzernowitzerBTW… to leave a comment, you have to click on the ‘Comments’ link below the post. If there are no comments, the link will read ‘No Comments’; if there is one comment, it will say ‘1 Comment’; etc. This is where you need to click in order to leave a comment.j.

7 thoughts on “Richtige Czernowitzer

  1. Lydia Schmerler

    I feel I am a “Richtige Czernowitzerin” : Born in Czernowitz in Oct.1940 under the Russian : all the people of my family I knew were all also born in Czernowitz. But what I really don’t know : from where did our ancestors come before ??? How could I find out this ??? I never heard in the family any mention of another place ???Thanks for any help …….Regards.Lydia.

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  2. Administrator

    Hi Lydia…When one first starts their genealogy, one has a list of ‘surnames’ of interest. What are yours? There may be various spellings so list them all.Start questioning your elder living family members as to where they think they came from.I would then post a message to our group asking if anyone has information on these surnames.Then I would go to our Family Finder on the website and see if anyone in this group is researching those surnames — if so, contact them.Also, and probably more importantly, go to http://jewishgen.org and look at their Family Finder and see who is researching those surnames you’re interested in. You probably will have to register with JewishGen in order to contact the people you want to contact.Another very effective tool is to Google the surnames you’re interested in and see what comes up. You may discover that the surnames cluster in certain geographical areas and that could provide further clues.This is how I would start.Best,jerome

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  3. Hardy

    Now the Bessere Mwnschen have trasformed intoRichtige , wichtige Czernowitzer…..After the tsunami of posts on the above I get mails from peopleon this subject.They are not all list members .They do not qualify by the Cz. rating.Their German is faulty if at all.They do not write on our venerable list.They do not write at all.To me they write ,thanking me for my opinion and stand on this.They feel sad about the matter.I feel sad too.Very sad.Richtige , wichtige ….Hardy

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  4. Administrator

    This from Lucca Ginsberg’s mailing list…I was born in a beautiful town in the Bucovina, then Rumania, now Ukraine, called Czernowitz. I enjoyed a wonderfully carefree childhood until World War II broke out, and the rest is history. Czernowitzers got deported, killed and the ones who survived left the city to all corners of the world. Strangely enough, wherever we are now, somewhere in the U.S., Canada, Europe, Australia, even Africa, we still remained Czernowitzers. We cling to our past in a way which is hard to explain.It’s true, we have a very interesting past and maybe this is the reason we can’t let go. Our first language was German, we went to Rumanian schools, hosted the soviets for long periods twice, they came and went like unwelcome guests, and finally we realized with great sadness that we have to leave.So we did. But in truth we did not. There is an unbreakable bond which unites us in person, by phone and mostly by e-mail. We talk to each other constantly, almost daily. Outsiders would think it weird if they knew what we talk about. One of the last subjects we discussed quite heatedly was Czernowitz superstitions.“Did we throw salt over our shoulders? Did we avoid meeting a black cat? Did our grandmothers use incantations and what were they?” But this is only a small part of our debates!“Now what was the name of the street you lived on? The initial German name, and then the Rumanian name, and lastly the Russian name?”“Did you know my uncle Otto? He lived on the same street and was a well-known lawyer!”“You are wrong, writes one member, the house number 8 belonged to my grandfather andI spent much of my childhood there, so I should know! This was not a movie house!”We agree and disagree and submit new and old information and actually enjoy ourselves.Messages go back and forth and when I get up in the morning and find my monitor black with e-mails, I am happy to find myself again among my people!“Do you have Ruth’s Czernowitz cuisine cookbook?”, someone asks, no one cooked as well as Czernowitz housewives! And the food at Friedmann’s restaurant? I can still remember the taste of his marvelous vegetable soups and his cakes, oh God, how can we live without them?”And then one morning we decided it’s time to talk about Czernowitz art, our poets, alas so few, painters – and now we have our own art gallery on the internet – we discuss writers who still write with love for the city, a good example being my friend Hedy who only two years ago, at the age of ninety plus, wrote the book “My old Czernowitz” in our mother tongue, German. She too has left her native city many decades ago but still seems to live there!.We also have our own photo album with pictures of all our members reaching 400 or more I think, so you can see what the person looks like who sent you a nasty remark last week.The Czernowitz sickness is genetic and inherited.. Our group is joined by children and grandchildren who never set foot in the Bucovina but intrigued by stories heard, they feel the need to go and see and reconstruct the past which cannot be forgotten by their elders.Now one of our inventive members has decided to categorize us in numbers: A number 5 Czernowitzer is someone who was born there, spoke German initially and went through the whole agitated era up to World War II and after. Categories go down all the way to number 2, represented by indifferent Czernowitzers who have only a limited knowledge of the city and don’t really care that much…According to my friend’s categorization, I am a number 5. Wow! This makes me so proud!Lucca

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  5. Jerry Eshet

    1. There were Jews in an East European region – Bukowina.2. Not all of them lived in Czernowitz (in fact most of thm didn’t)3. The Austrian regime imposed a western, quasi liberal government system in Bukowina4. The Jews who till then suffered severe discrimination embraced enthusiastically this new quasi liberal system and did their best to integrate.5. Thus the real Czernowitzer or better the real Bukowiner started to evolve.6. This typical characterism was so deeply imbeded in the person that it withstood the influence of the Romanian and the Russian regimes, and given the first chance revived it – like this Blog, ehpes, and the list

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  6. Miriam (Mimi) Taylor

    By “die richtige Czernowitzer” are meant those who were born in Czernowitzbefore 1946 and/or those who’s parents were also Czernowitzers.This distinction has only one reason, to identify those who spoke Germanand knew the way of life in Czernowitz as it was before and during WW2.Jerry Wolf/Eshet is right.Richtig is not necessarily wichtig. (proper does not necessarily mean important)

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  7. Hardy

    “Richtige Czernowitzer” is a discriminatory definitionand not in the Czernowitzer spirit of acceptance.All of us are” richtig “that is ” right”.This is my belief.Even these who coined this definition are richtig.

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